When are believers going to admit the truth—atheists actually have a solid reason not to believe and they do not have any inner voice, nagging or otherwise, reminding them of an error in belief. Nor are they running. This is a myth believers tell themselves so they can sleep at night but that doesn’t make it true.
“…for what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.” – Romans chapter one, verses 19 & 20
You did not answer my question. When will you admit that we are telling the truth? As Kace Kason Colder says in his answer, lots of stuff in the Bible has been proven wrong. Likewise Romans 1:19 & 20 that you quoted. When will you accept this fact of life? Either that, or provide answers that convince me—not you but me, the truth-seeking atheist.
I have been reading Rom. 1:19–20 from my youth. Perhaps you will tell me what the author is talking about. What are these things that are to be known about God? What are his invisible qualities and how do we know? If we don’t know, how can we be said to be without excuse? Those are the questions that have bugged me since my youth, every time I read that verse. I cannot find the answers anywhere and the only answers Christians give is more Bible verses—verses that do NOT answer my questions.
For an avid lover of truth, for a person who has a strong aversion to lying, the only option is to conclude that no answers exist and no Answerer. Please do not insinuate—WITHOUT PERSONAL PROOF OUTSIDE THE BIBLE—that we are evil.
Edited to add more to this conversation. Neil Ray’s answers are cut short for copyright reasons but can be found at the link.
Hello Dear. Thank you for further elaborating and your heartfelt questions about God. I am so glad you asked. I will try and answer you.
First, let me begin…[Find the rest of his answer here.]
Thank you for trying to answer my questions. I get the idea about “triune” and “invisible qualities.” However, you depend on the dubious authority of the Bible for: (1) the conclusion that God is the source of the universe and all that occurs therein, (2) the belief that natural disasters are God’s judgment, (3) your knowledge of the private life and thoughts of a complete stranger.
Clover leaves, light, humanity, and the universe have all been proven to have a source outside the divine. You did not explain how you know God is the source. The argument that things could not be so “well-tuned” if there were no god doesn’t convince me because I have seen with my own eyes that nature works exactly as hard as is necessary to survive. Either that, or it fails and does not exist.
Conclusion: That which exists is the result of nature doing what it had to do to survive. That causes it to be finely tuned, including life on this planet; the planet is exactly the right distance from the sun and the conditions are exactly right for life to exist and therefore it does.
Where did the seed for the universe come from? That, in my mind, is the same as asking, “Where did God come from?” or “Who made God?” My mother said it is wrong to ask that question. To get around it, for decades I looked for evidence of God. What I found instead was evidence for the evolution of life on earth and even evidence for the origins of the universe itself, as well as explanations for how it works and why. I also found out that God’s so-called judgments via natural disasters kill innocent children who have never sinned. That, in my mind, nullifies the notion that floods, earthquakes, and other calamities are judgment for sin.
Bottom line: You failed to convince me as I asked; you only convinced yourself. In addition you used the Bible when I asked for extra-biblical evidence. Sorry.